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November 25, 2008

'Shield' creator explains Vic Mackey’s fate

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>> The following has heavy spoilers from tonight's  just-concluded series finale of "The Shield." Those wishing to remain unspoiled should stop reading <<

After screening "The Shield" series finale for reporters, it was FX president John Landgraf who gave the best summary of the meaning behind Vic Mackey’s fate.

“He managed to preserve his own freedom and his life by sacrificing everything else in his life that was important,” Landgraf said. “And he gave up his loyalty -- which was always considered his most important trait.”

Creator Shawn Ryan -- referencing Mackey’s riveting confession scene -- added, “To get the freedom he wanted, Vic had to be completely honest, which is something he’s never done before.”

Ryan said he always had a “vague notion” of how Mackey’s story would end.

“There was never one moment where you have everything,” he said. “I wanted Vic to give up his badge. I wanted to see some episodes with him without [the badge]. And I always envisioned the final shot of him being stuck in an office.”

So is Hell a cubicle?

“For Vic, maybe,” Ryan said. “Those three minutes seemed pretty tough for him.”

At the risk of sounding like a college term paper, part of the final episode’s impact was making Vic so utterly powerless and emasculated. The cop who looks like a walking phallic symbol, gun ever in hand, using his authority to bully and control others, is stripped of his badge, family, friends, a powerful job and his dignity -- sentenced to wear a tie and act as an office drone in service to a woman he has heartlessly manipulated all season.

In the show’s final moment before the credits, Vic gets his gun back from his desk drawer. Fans will read a lot into this -- suspecting a Mackey rampage -- but the move didn’t seem to have much importance to Ryan, who said the gun grab was a bit of staging that wasn’t in his original script. His final line described Mackey shutting down his computer with something like, “Vic powers off, destination unknown.”

Ryan avoided making an interpretation of the ending, preferring fans come to their own conclusion, but he seemed to suggest Mackey’s fate was indeed to slave away under those florescent lights, at least for a while. (Ryan noted he normally doesn’t get involved with the show’s sound effects, yet he was very specific about the buzzing he wanted the lights to make during Mackey’s final scene -- those three minutes are, in a sense, giving the audience a feel for Mackey’s next three years).

As for the odds of a theatrical follow-up, or a spinoff (“Santa Monica Dutch,” as the joke goes), Ryan seemed very doubtful, yet did not entirely rule out the possibility of a theatrical film.

“I don't think there's anything else to tell in the television world,” he said. “It was always important to give FX an ending. None of this was an attempt to set up anything else. I've seen enough boxers say ‘never’ [and yet still fight again].”

Regarding Dutch Wagenbach, Ryan said he cast Jay Karnes' real-life wife as Billings' lawyer. The move was meant to further suggest that Dutch would finally find a successful romantic partner.

Ryan expressed relief that the ending had not leaked online. It’s remarkable, really. The show wrapped around the start of the year and has had several critic screenings in recent weeks. Yet even today on several message boards, the ending remained a secret and fan predictions were nicely off target.

Few certainly would have ever guessed the murder-suicide of Shane Vendrell and his family -- easily the finale’s most shocking moment. While Mackey’s story was long known, Ryan said Vendrell’s fate was the last piece of the narrative puzzle to fall into place.

“The initial pitch was Shane gets caught,” Ryan said. “There was a pro wrestler [Chris Benoit] who did something similar last year. They have a term for it -- ‘family annihilator.’ You believe you’re preserving for eternity their level of innocence, that you're somehow saving them. To write those scenes was not pleasant. From the moment the family went on the run, I said to the writers, ‘This whole journey needs to bring them a lot closer together.’”

Previous: The first non-spoiler part of the interview. And the earlier pre-season review of the first eight episodes.

Also: Another interview with Ryan about the finale.

UPDATE: "The Shield" finale drew 1.8 million viewers, just 13% higher than last week's episode, ending its run with a relatively modest return.

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That ending was almost as bad as J.R. Ewing's. Half of the audience works in a cubicle every day; and they are to believe that working in a cubicle is 'hell'? How could the writers think that ending could be satisfying?

And there is NO WAY Vic picking up that gun and putting that look on his face was accidental. The writers wanted to leave open the possibility of future work with this brand.

Once again, a great series ends with a whimper and a fizzle.

Really? I get it, Hell is a cubicle. You could see it coming a mile away.

Give me a real ending.

You're missing the whole point. It's not that a cubicle is hell, it is that a cubicle is pure hell for a guy like Vic Mackie. He is a bad ass cop living his entire career on the streets with his hands in everything. In the end he loses one friend to a grenade, one to a murder/suicide of his family, his most loyal friend to rot in jail, and his entire family to witness protection...all directly because of him. In the end, he is forced into a mundane hell of a life pushing paperwork for ICE all alone...and if he makes one wrong move he goes to jail until he dies. They took the most ruthless dirty cop and tied him to a desk...which is probably worse to him than just sitting in jail.

If they let him go free and happy it would seem like a cop out...as would just killing him off. He is basically stuck in a purgatory to waste his abilities writing reports while thinking about how every decision he has made lost him literally every single thing that was ever important to him. I thought the ending was perfect.

You're both high! That ending was the best TV ending ever. Sorry your bloodlust wasnt satasfied

Intense. Sickeningly intense.

It was brutal and ugly and beautiful and brilliant. A fantastic ending.

Terrible ending. Why is it that networks are so scared to give audiences finality? I would have been completely pleased if Mackey had not grabbed that gun.

And way not to close Dutch's storyline.

Lame...

Actually, I deeply regret and take back what I said above. You guys are absolutely right, this was just like Sopranos. Argh.

God yes a cubicle is hell. As a guy who got "promoted" from a delivery driver working outdoors to sitting at a desk punching buttons I know what that hell can be like. Add to that Vic lost is family, friends, respect and the one thing he put above all those, packing a badge on the streets, you'd better believe that's the worst case scenario for him. The fact that they were brave enough to show him just sucking it up and either accepting his fate or stubbornly refusing to (by still taking his gun home) is a great great ending.

well, I get the fact that not having any power anymore, and being strapped to a desk is hell for Vic, but come on....its only for 3 years. I am a huge fan of this series and I feel left out and sad that such a great power went out with such a feeble and non-gratifying ending (in my opinion) Reminds me of the sopranos. Sad times. I'm a bit let down.

I want more...but I thought it was brilliant.

When Vic walked out of the station with everyone glaring at him....it was powerful.

When he was doing the tour of the office with HR, sad.

With Shane, it was heartbreaking.

Claudette & Dutch catching the kid serial killer in a lie was awesome. I like that it's unresolved, but you know they'll get him.

It's on again in 30 minutes. Looking forward to watching again.

Thought it was well thought out and executed. The finale drove home the reality of the monster Vic Mackey is. The cubicle is simply a way of putting Vic in a situation where he has nothing if not empty time to relive the truth he was forced to confess. Without the need to constantly hustle and manipulate people as a cop, Vic must suffer his own endless rationalizations of his actions and continue to find new ways to lie to himself. If you believe Vic has any conscience left then he must see the wake of destruction and ruin he has left. With what he's done, I am thoroughly satisfied with where he landed.

As for Shane, just fantastic acting by Goggins, after murdering Lem and becoming the most hated character on The Shield I wasn't prepared to feel so sorry for him. My god! When Vic threatened to visit Jackson and Shane just lost it...powerful stuff. I heard a radio interview with Goggins where he described the type of person Shane might have been had he not met Vic.

I was left a little wanting for more with Dutch's final story arc. But I am impressed by the way he has stood by Claudette. Still, there's something just under the surface of Dutch, something a little off...it almost had me thinking he really was the killer! Fortunately, Claudette pulled me back from that shark jumping idea with her emphatic defense of Dutch while questioning the mom killing teenager.

Ronnie's realization of Vic's betrayal was heartbreaking. This poor guy is taking the fall for EVERYTHING?! Dude, I would be sending Vic Mackey little letters of pure hate from my prison cell every single day. If there's a movie, then it's the story of Ronnie's release from prison and a cat and mouse plot ensues between our newly freed from his 3 year sentence to a desk Vic and a revenge minded Ronnie, hell fire and the ghosts of Lem and Shane at his side. Yee-haw!

I love The Shield! Thank you guys for a great series with great stories, settings and characters. I will miss The Barn.

I can't believe it's over. I really wish there would have been more closure though. Vic grabbing the gun, Claudette's health problems, Dutch's case, and Ronnie going to jail. I just wish there could be one last episode, just to tie off all of the loose ends.

Shane killing himself, and his family was the 2nd time this show has brought me to tears, the first was the death of Lem. The third time was during tonight's closing credits.

After 7 thrilling years, it is finally over, and I am going to miss it. I feel like something is missing in my life already. Nothing will ever come along, and be anywhere near as good as The Shield.

That was masterful writing. It wasn't that "HELL IS A CUBICLE" -- it was his prison sentence in a jail without bars. Mackie's character is strong enough to actually see it that way and just bide his time to the next thing. Notice he didn't put a picture of his wife up, only the people he feel never betrayed him. Lem and his kids.

Bravo!

Vic + Copycat= Marlo

The Wire did it first!

D.J. Coffman---

I understand, it's 'his prison', it's friggin' clichéd.

It was a lame ending. No closure for the main character is not 'masterful writing'.

No closure? Are you high? The man burned away everything; His best friend shot himself in the head and murdered his family, all because of Vic's selfish actions - actions that everyone knows about now. Every single person that works in that barn - the people whose admiration he lapped up whenever he could - see him as nothing more than a cop killer who traded away his last friend and partner for his own freedom. Every case he worked, every confession he got will be overshadowed by that simple fact forever - there's finally no escaping it, no way to turn it around in the 11th hour.

What do you want? Character's can't live through the end? The man has nothing left and has to sit alone in an office he built for himself. It was brilliant and completely in line with the rest of this series.

Vic's ending was like his personailty.

The entire series nothing has been more important to Vic than his own survival.

He is the alpha male. Everything else can die, fade away, rot or leave, but he survives and at the end of the day he is fine with that.

Grabing the gun, hiding it behind his back, symbolizes him guarding his back at all times.

He will find a way out of his predicament.

Vic survives and will find his way out of any hole as we have seen through the entire series.

If you really think about it, there really is no ordinary end for Vic Mackey. He realizes in the last 20 mins of the episode (shown by his teary eyes, which he has rarely done in the entire series) that he has tried so hard to control everything, that in fact he has ended up loosing everything. Its ironic but brilliant that the (morally) good character Lemansky is killed by his friend Shane, Ronnie Ghardocki, the least dirty of the four, ends up with life in prison, and that Shane (Vic's best friend, ends up so manipulated and twisted because of Vic), that he takes his life along with his family, and that the MASTERMIND behind all of the dirty sins and corruption gets to walk CLEAN. Maybe filing paperwork is worse than prison for the notorious Vic Mackey.

Its much like throwing a wild Lion from the hunting plains into a lifeless cage at some ZOO.

I believe that in the end, Vic finally looks back and sees all the shit that he has created, which has lead him to his seemingly, adrenaline free, doom.

You cant have a real ending with Vic Mackey, because his character is so unpredictable.

Loved the ending

SAD TO SEE IT GO

"The man has nothing left and has to sit alone in an office he built for himself."


That doesn't seem to be the case since he leaves with his gun and a determined look on his face.


"He will find a way out of his predicament.

Vic survives and will find his way out of any hole as we have seen through the entire series."


Cool! Can't wait to see how it pans out next week! Oh wait...

I am really depressed! It really took me by surprise. I had to switch off the TV when Shane killed himself! I had a similar reaction, though to a much lesser degree when Shane killed Lem. I think knowing this was the finale plus the suicide sent me somewhere I didn't expect to go! Awesome... got to watch the ending though! Really going to miss these guys!

This show will be back.

Mark my words.

WOW! I was totally blown away when Shane killed himself. And then when they showed his family laid out like that...creepy! I like the way they de-clawed Mackey but it should've been for longer than three years! The only part I can't get behind is what happened to Ronnie. That's crap! They should've let him make it to Mexico, or someplace. That he went to jail for everything was the worst decision in t.v. history! I'll still miss the Hell out of this show!

Vic Mackey lost everything that he thought he controlled. He lost his powers to manipulate people, his family and his dignity of betraying Ronnie, his last friend in the world who trusted him wholeheartedly. He thought he at least would have his kids around no matter what. This was stripped from him and he is forced to live in purgatory for 3 years.

I thought Wagenbach got a fair ending in justifying his suspicion of the young psychopath killer that tried to frame him. Claudette also was a trooper till the end and I love that she is going to work until she can't anymore. Very honorable. Even the last jab she gave David Aceveda in the barn was awesome. It's probably the best ending I have ever seen.

I haven't read all the comments, but one thing I haven't seen people suggest; that the ending symbolizes Vic's inability to live within the rules. Here he is, gotten off scott-free, and yet he can't even follow the most basic instructions given to him by his superior; leave the gun in the drawer. For all his wiliness in getting the immunity, it really avails him nothing, because he doesn't have it in him to live the straight life; he will inevitably continue down a self-destructive path. He just can't help himself. It's the only way he knows how to live.

The symbolism that a lot of people seemed to miss was that Vic signed a three year contract and when Ronnie got arrested, he asked "For what?" and Dutch told him for the last 3 years. So Vic got the same amount of punishment that his reign of terror lasted for since they've always been careful never to talk time or gives actual dates on the show.

Aw come on guys. What Bernadette said to Aceveda in his final scene (You'll always find a way, or sime such) applies to Vic also, they were very much the same, always looking for the angle, always surviving and ending on top. That's why you loved Vic and I think he got what he deserved in the end but with the promise that he won't take it lying down...he'll find the way out.

Wow. It is over. I cannot believe it. I almost shed a tear. I got so mad at Shane, but he was the follower and so was Mara, so she allowed him to lead her to the slaughter. David looks like he will continue on and win the Mayoral election. Dutch has a romantic lead, and is going to finish Rita's murder up. Claudette is going to ride off into the sunset and die from lupus, and the stress of the job. Curtis is still the one that paid the biggest price for the strike team's rogue ways. I do not like that Tina is still on board. I fell like she is a worthless piece of crap for the Farmington District to have on the streets. Julian is going to struggle with his inner gay self. Things are never going to get better here...without the likes of Vic and the Strike Team. Look out for war Farmington.

It was an amazing ending and very suiting to the show. I didnt feel the need for ever story line to be tied up. Life doesnt work like that- neither should TV or film. We can sit and wonder what Ronny or Dutch or Vic are up to for months and the next 3 years. .
The Cubicle is hell for Vic and someone wonderfully stated the Lion and Zoo connection. Perfect....!!!!
Its been a fantastic seven season show and its gone out on a high rather than slipping down the quality scale.....Many Thanks for everyone conected with the show for giving us one of the best shows to hit TV airaves for a long long time.

Not as good as I had hoped for. I choose to believe Vic's taking the gun & the look on his face means he has determined to take out the most butt ugly female on the planet for betraying him. Then if someone would just whack Assevado it's all good.

Not as good as I had hoped for. I choose to believe Vic's taking the gun & the look on his face means he has determined to take out the most butt ugly female on the planet for betraying him. Then if someone would just whack Assevado it's all good.

Not as good as I had hoped for. I choose to believe Vic's taking the gun & the look on his face means he has determined to take out the most butt ugly female on the planet for betraying him. Then if someone would just whack Assevado it's all good.

Not as good as I had hoped for. I choose to believe Vic's taking the gun & the look on his face means he has determined to take out the most butt ugly female on the planet for betraying him. Then if someone would just whack Assevado it's all good.

A great ending! There's no way Vic will stay in cubicle hell forever, though. I take his final move with the gun to mean that he's heading out THAT VERY NIGHT to get a piece of the drug trade action on the streets. I just know that in a year or two, he's going to tap into ICE computers and start using the intel to play drug lords against each other. For Vic, the hustle will never end. He just can't live like a drone.

Well, maybe I'm crazy here, but doesn't the end really reflect the duality of Vic? Good Vic in the office world, but when the lights go off, or the sun goes down mean, deceitful Vic hits the streets?

The show's writers knew that the typical audience member expected one of three outcomes: Vic dies, Vic goes to prison, or Vic gets away with it. They found the fourth option.
Vic got his freedom but at the ultimate cost of everything that he holds dear and everything that defined him over the show's run. I thought it was great.

Wow, I really took the end differently. I thought that Vic, at the end, was finally realizing the absolute destruction he had wrought and was taking the gun to kill himself. He had lost everything: His kids, friends, dignity, and his soul and he just couldn't live with it. Those last three minutes, when his mind couldn't escape the loss of his kids, Shane's suicide and his betrayal of Ronnie just took him over the top. It wasn't what he had done, so much, but what he now had to live with. It showed his true selfishness.

It was the lamest way to end the show. I think the writers forgot they had an Epic Hero like Achilles on their hands. An Epic Hero's never wrong and the only real ending would have been for Mackey to end up on top, even if everyone one else would lay by the wayside in a bloody heap.

There needs to be a movie. Even if it's a Homicide like TV movie so that Mackey can go out with a bang instead of a whimper.

I was stunned with the way Shane's story played out. But in looking back a 2nd time, the little clues were there..I just didn't see them. Walton Goggins deserves an Emmy, CCH Pounder deserves one as well. She has blown the roof off the barn so many times. And I'd even give a supporting actress nod to Michelle Hicks, who played Mara to the point where I started to like her.

For Vic, his daily grind is more hell than any prison. Shane killed Vic's last ounce of false hope that he was a good daddy, husband, etc. That started the avalanche of Vic's realization that to get his freedom, he lost everything that he was supposedly all about (family, friends, warped honor among thieves).

I hate Ronnie got duped. I thought they would comb over Vic's confession, and Ronnie would point out one crime that Vic forgot to confess...thus sealing his own immunity deal, and giving up Vic on the platter.

I did not like the way they swept Julian's gay issues immediately away after he got married and religious. And Tina was not a good fit for his partner. And what about Dani's (and Vic's) son? Should she not be wanting protection from a free Vic as well?

Overall satisfied....with just enough lingering around to make you wonder what would happen if....

This was a good final episode. We got closure on a lot of things, and Vic's fate was more personalized for his character than for the fans. I've loved this show since day one, and while my heart breaks at the thought of never seeing Vic in that leather jacket breaking down doors again, the show will live on forever. Goodbye Shawn Ryan, Michael Chiklis and crew - thanks for all the memories.

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